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 on: January 06, 2017, 10:40:43 PM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Azrael
Mark my words: IRC will never die! LONG LIVE IRC!!!

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 on: January 06, 2017, 05:52:41 PM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Aurelia
Lol so true! That was me too until discord tbh.

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 on: January 06, 2017, 05:24:55 PM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Selroth
Relevant:
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 on: January 06, 2017, 05:21:12 PM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Zeimyth

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 on: December 26, 2016, 02:55:00 AM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Dafydd_Edward_Dragon
Sorry if this has been expressed already, but I thought this was pretty adequately resolved on page one. I gave up reading after page 2.

Seriously, if we want role play, why not just open a community for that? I come to Draconity.org for serious discussion and talking to other dragonkin. If I want to roleplay I have several other options. If you want 'fluff' I have a huge community of dragonkin & dragon furries on Discord who banter and emote aka 'fluff RP' aka 'third kind rp' all the time. It's pretty typical for a wall of emotes to appear. It took very little effort to set up and it's going well.

For proper role play, boy do I have a lot of options laid out in front of me. I go to roleplay forums, furcadia, play GURPS/Pathfinder/D&D, IRC, etc. etc.  yet there is only one Draconity.org out there in the sea of role play websites. Nothing else has come close to this website to me for it's specific purpose.

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 on: December 24, 2016, 07:28:17 PM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Selroth
Sorry guys - didn't mean to abandon the conversation if ya'll are still expecting responses. 

As for the bold statements.. having an "open gate" but being hostile at the same time is like inviting people into a torture chamber, really, so it's more of a question of what kind of individual you're honestly looking for. People knowing what to expect versus what you expect out of them is important to communicate.

Shit!  You found out our plan!  How else are we supposed to get more gimps??  But seriously, it's not like we're locking anyone in.  Participation from the beginning is 100% voluntary, and we have more lurkers than players anyway.  Some people just wanna watch the BDSM-fest =P  But really, I honestly don't think we're nearly as hostile as we have a reputation for (though, also honestly, I kinda like the reputation and am running with it, saying the "dragons breathe fire" or whatever in reference to the site).  But, I think it's just a case of a very small handful of people getting their feelings hurt while the vast majority enjoy the conversation (either participating or watching).  And really, that's all that's ever hurt: feelings. 

As for everything else in your reply.  It's all good.  It's clear I don't 100% agree with you on everything, but I 100% love that you're at least risking your neck and bringing up shit you want to discuss.  Because it's important.  I don't have all the right answers, but thanks to people like you I got more than I would have on my own.  Even if I dismiss some of your arguments or points as incorrect, I'm still becoming aware of how you feel and that's some pretty f'n important info for me. 

This is the part that has me concerned the most. I'm aware that this is not a strictly Otherkin forum and I'm not saying we should be more exclusive. But I do think that opening this up to roleplayers might affect the reputation and legitimacy of this site. I don't mind the fluffy as long as it is obvious it is fluff, but if someone wants to join only because of the roleplay, I honestly don't think they should be here.
But there's no good way for us to differentiate between what's roleplay and what's not when looking at a user application.  Even if there was enough information to make a solid judgement, is it ethical at all?  To judge someone like that and exclude them?  Besides, how many dragons, including myself (if I qualify), kinda discovered our draconity through roleplay? 

I don't think it's a good idea to leave it to any one person, D.org Staff or not, to judge if a person is a good fit for the community or not.  It's mostly a community decision.  And everyone deserves a chance, unless they're outright malicious.  So, what do we filter?  Applications that aren't people.  Or applications we think are malicious.  Or any other obviously-not-going-to-do-anyone-any-good applications.  And I mean that in common sense - if anyone else on D.org was showed the same application, I have at LEAST 95% confidence they'd arrive at the same decision to exclude them from the community.  I'd post some of the applications we've denied as examples, but there's no log of ones we've denied, and we really only end up denying maybe... 3-ish a year? ***

At the end of the day, I think we should be asking: What is the point of this forum? What is the unifying theme here? This site, as far as I know, existed long before the idea of roleplaying was brought up.
Well, that wasn't the question of the topic.  I kinda feel like we already have a solid "point" of this forum, and a "unifying" theme.  If it must be spelled out, I still have the unofficial slogan of the site in my head: "A place for dragons and friends to be dragons with friends."  It may be important for me to point out that I sometimes resist being called or viewed as an Otherkin site, because that's not my intention behind running it.  I don't give a fuck what ya'll call yourselves, you're still pretty awesome to me =P  Just so happens that the majority of our audience identifies as Otherkin.  *shrugs*

(also, no - if you read the History bit in the OP, I point out that this place was essentially born by "roleplay <being> brought up")



EDIT: Wanted to give a bit more insight into how applications are handled, as I guess you guys never really see it.
*** - Any D.org Staff has the ability to approve or deny an application (profile) to the site.  The idea is to get any good application approved ASAP and capture the new member while they're still curious about the site.  After a night, or even an hour, of waiting they can get bored and wonder off somewhere else entirely and never bother to check out the site - the curiosity is gone.  We also have a topic in the Admin thread called "New Member", where we've been posting every decision we've made on pending users as a bit of a log for ourselves (because there isn't one), and it's a great gateway to discuss things.  If a mod isn't sure about an application, they tend to leave it for another mod to see.  Generally if that happens, a day goes by and all the D.org Staff have seen the application, and some have remarked concerns in the "New Member" topic and a discussion begins to deny or not.  At this point I'll sometimes send an email to the user asking for more info or whatever.  But, even still, I lean towards approving unless I have a solid reason to deny.

So, it takes a LOT for any legitimate person with even a shred of curiosity about the site to be denied access.  But, it has protected us from spambots, data-mining, and malicious or otherkin-haters. 


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 on: December 23, 2016, 10:38:24 AM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Darkscales
One thing I want to mention, and this is mostly aimed at moderators and admins specifically, is that..well, I've been around for a long time and have changed from being one of those fluffy RP types to being ultra-rational and am now sort of perfectly balanced between the two.

Speaking as one such user who is moderate, but leans somewhat on the rational side... (This was quoted for reference)

Keep in mind that we do have a /very/ open gate, despite most initial impressions.  We approve just about any member that seems human, fluffy or not - roleplayer or not.  Also, many of our inbound users come from referrals.  One member who enjoys roleplay could recommend this place to their roleplay buddies, and they recommend it to their buddies, and we /could/ have a roleplay infestation!  Well, maybe an exaggeration, but it still illustrates a point.  At what point do you consider excessive roleplay detrimental to the community?  That's a very hard question to answer - much more difficult than excessive preaching which as we all know was a huge fucking mess! 

This is the part that has me concerned the most. I'm aware that this is not a strictly Otherkin forum and I'm not saying we should be more exclusive. But I do think that opening this up to roleplayers might affect the reputation and legitimacy of this site. I don't mind the fluffy as long as it is obvious it is fluff, but if someone wants to join only because of the roleplay, I honestly don't think they should be here.

Again, and I could be paranoid about this, my concern is the blurring of the user and the (roleplay) "character". If they start using their "character" more than normal, then I think we might have a problem.

At the end of the day, I think we should be asking: What is the point of this forum? What is the unifying theme here? This site, as far as I know, existed long before the idea of roleplaying was brought up.

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 on: December 22, 2016, 08:33:31 PM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Aurelia
This is going round in circles and I'm not sure why.

On page 1 of this thread it was already decided we would work out a post that shows the distinction between what is considered RP and what is considered emote/action, and to post that in the "Forum Information" tab at the top of the site (as well as amending the user agreement).  So I'm not sure why it's still being said "You need to define emoting and RP..." because we've already established that's the plan for us to do.

As for "the site is hostile..." I don't think it's hostile at all.  There is skepticism - more so of the more "fluffy" beliefs, sure - but not hostility, as at least not as far as I'm aware.  People talk about past lives, tuplas, souls, multiple-systems, hybrids, spirit guides... and more! I hope no one is feeling they can't talk about things because that would defeat the point of the community. But it's also a different topic than what this thread is talking about, so maybe a new thread should be started on a different board (post-logon) so more people feel willing to post answers/input? If there are people who are feeling this way then we definitely need to know about it and work to fix the problem.

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 on: December 22, 2016, 05:55:33 AM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Semblance
I'm still not really cleared up on your original post, as you seem to be pulling two different ways.  Maybe I'm not reading it right still.

If I acknowledge that my initial post is not clear (as it was written late at night) we should discuss the more recent points. I am well aware (considering my multiple edits) that I was unclear in many of the things I said, so that being said..

I /think/ you're saying one of two things here.  Help me out here.  1) This poll and discussion is causing the site to "quickly divorce itself from" its original concept?  Or 2) this site has already divorced itself from its original concept, and it should go back to how it was (but no in the RP sense - that should be changed?)  3) Other

I would go with 3, honestly. 1 is obviously not the case and 2 I cannot speak to since I was not present at the time that it was conceived. What I'm really trying to speak about is the concept of RP in general and the fact that trying to pretend that it doesn't exist in one form or another among any otherkin / fur site is disingenuous. Now, I could absolutely be wrong about this notion since it is simply my perception of the situation. I could be bouncing all over the place as well since my mind tends to jump between things quite rapidly without much to tie things together. If I come off as disjointed all is well, I just can't control my train tracks.

I don't know what you think we've changed.  We've probably changed a lot of things, but I'm also wondering if you're seeing a change that I'm not.  But, this poll is leaning much more towards keeping something the same, yet you somehow seem against it.

I'm not against change. On the other hand, I embrace it quite willingly (within reason.) My worry stems from the idea of never changing because where you are is comfortable and familiar..though to what extent I cannot say. At this point, though, we've gone from discussing the poll to discussing the concept of RP and what it means..so I believe we should stop worrying about the poll at this point in time. It was the catalyst but is no longer really the focal point.

The reason I responded was because quite honestly, I am wondering if you've got us confused with someone else or are wrong about other things.  Not to play the discrediting game, but where there's one mistake there tends to be more...  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though.

The reason I said something to begin with is simply that I felt there were a lot of little minor things to pick up here and there. Unwritten things, so to speak, as I wasn't comfortable posting anything in the forums for over a year because I saw others getting ridicule or derision for things I normally might have posted. That isn't your fault, however, but it is something to keep in mind. Context is king. It was by no means entirely accurate, thus I removed it. Please don't hang too much on those words as I've already recanted them with an apology.

We aren't assuming that exaggeration.  One of many can be a very difficult situation to handle as it is, especially with how loose our moderation is.  And R-rated content isn't spilling out because it's very clear to people what's R-Rated and what isn't.  Roleplay is much more internal to how one interacts.  Spend some time in a channel that promotes cussing every sentence for a day, and you'll literally surprise yourself at how much you want to cuss outside that channel (I did that as an experiment in early IRC days once =P). 

I work in the construction trade, so I am well aware of the concept of bringing your language home with you. Contractor mouth is a real thing, amusingly enough, but you can control it given enough temperance - I certainly have to considering I have a 4-year old who absorbs *everything* I say ._. But I digress.

Besides, it's obviously much easier to tell someone to remove a NSFW picture from the general chat, and get a quick lesson & apology, than it is to tell someone to stop emoting in a chat.  "Sir, your adorable hugs and cuddles aren't welcome here."

We really need to define emoting and RP in this case, because the line is very blurry. For me, emoting light stuff such as hugs and the like aren't RP, they're simply expressions of one's mood at any given time. RP is more along the lines of something you'd see in a book or RPG - being detailed and meant to draw responses of the same kind. I've heard some folk say that all emotes are RP and some who say that RP is just what someone thinks is fake. This particular aspect needs more discussion in my opinion..

Karath & Semblance: Keep in mind that we do have a /very/ open gate, despite most initial impressions.  We approve just about any member that seems human, fluffy or not - roleplayer or not.  Also, many of our inbound users come from referrals.  One member who enjoys roleplay could recommend this place to their roleplay buddies, and they recommend it to their buddies, and we /could/ have a roleplay infestation!  Well, maybe an exaggeration, but it still illustrates a point.  At what point do you consider excessive roleplay detrimental to the community?  That's a very hard question to answer - much more difficult than excessive preaching which as we all know was a huge fucking mess!

And yes, I fully acknowledge that D.org is relatively hostile, in comparison to other communities.  Yet, we're also the least censored and the most welcoming in my experience.  And definitely the most "down to Earth", but that may just be my opinion...

Addressing the first part, approving someone to be allowed into the network isn't the issue..my comments about this issue in particular stem from the fact that those of us who are the types you "look" for here are generally the exception, not the norm. I'm not saying to open the floodgates, I don't think that's even close to being a rational decision in this case, but referrals will eventually bring those kinds of people around no matter what. My _honest_ concern is with how those sorts of individuals will be treated in an environment like this. I've seen closed communities and freely open ones..

As for the bold statements.. having an "open gate" but being hostile at the same time is like inviting people into a torture chamber, really, so it's more of a question of what kind of individual you're honestly looking for. People knowing what to expect versus what you expect out of them is important to communicate.

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 on: December 22, 2016, 05:21:56 AM 
Started by Selroth - Last post by Selroth
That is debatable.   :Sophisticated:

Ouch!    :sad:  (that smiley never gets used...)

. . .

I'm still not really cleared up on your original post, as you seem to be pulling two different ways.  Maybe I'm not reading it right still. 

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This is a network of those who identify as, with, or simply enjoy the concept of dragons. To me, it feels like the site in general is progressing quickly towards divorcing itself from that concept - and it honestly feels like the initial purpose of this place has evaporated. RP or not, this doesn't feel like a draconic network at all to me - and if that's what the intent of this place is, then that is what it is. This sort of network attracts the "fluffy RP" types due to its nature, so people getting upset when they're showing up seems really...strange, to me.

I /think/ you're saying one of two things here.  Help me out here.  1) This poll and discussion is causing the site to "quickly divorce itself from" its original concept?  Or 2) this site has already divorced itself from its original concept, and it should go back to how it was (but no in the RP sense - that should be changed?)  3) Other

I don't know what you think we've changed.  We've probably changed a lot of things, but I'm also wondering if you're seeing a change that I'm not.  But, this poll is leaning much more towards keeping something the same, yet you somehow seem against it. 

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The reason I edited it out was because I was wrong about it. There's no reason to respond to something I. . .
  The reason I responded was because quite honestly, I am wondering if you've got us confused with someone else or are wrong about other things.  Not to play the discrediting game, but where there's one mistake there tends to be more...  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though.

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If we assume that everyone who joins a network for an RP-friendly channel would spill out into the rest of the network, why isn't there a ton of R-rated content spilling into the normal chatrooms and forums?
We aren't assuming that exaggeration.  One of many can be a very difficult situation to handle as it is, especially with how loose our moderation is.  And R-rated content isn't spilling out because it's very clear to people what's R-Rated and what isn't.  Roleplay is much more internal to how one interacts.  Spend some time in a channel that promotes cussing every sentence for a day, and you'll literally surprise yourself at how much you want to cuss outside that channel (I did that as an experiment in early IRC days once =P). 

Besides, it's obviously much easier to tell someone to remove a NSFW picture from the general chat, and get a quick lesson & apology, than it is to tell someone to stop emoting in a chat.  "Sir, your adorable hugs and cuddles aren't welcome here."

Karath & Semblance: Keep in mind that we do have a /very/ open gate, despite most initial impressions.  We approve just about any member that seems human, fluffy or not - roleplayer or not.  Also, many of our inbound users come from referrals.  One member who enjoys roleplay could recommend this place to their roleplay buddies, and they recommend it to their buddies, and we /could/ have a roleplay infestation!  Well, maybe an exaggeration, but it still illustrates a point.  At what point do you consider excessive roleplay detrimental to the community?  That's a very hard question to answer - much more difficult than excessive preaching which as we all know was a huge fucking mess! 

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That being said, even having that perspective coming in here for the first time, many of the topics that I read and went through made me feel like the overall attitude of this place was hostile to anyone who had any spiritual or un-provable beliefs.

And yes, I fully acknowledge that D.org is relatively hostile, in comparison to other communities.  Yet, we're also the least censored and the most welcoming in my experience.  And definitely the most "down to Earth", but that may just be my opinion... 

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