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[Lunarya]

I.. don't really know what Steam is.. I've heard it mentioned briefly.

Uuuh... I guess my opinion is if there was already a group... We didn't need another one... and I like RAWR more.. because it sounds cooler.. Though.. there are only 5 members in the other one. I don't think it is much of a "threat" to be taken seriously. And since someone's draconity is usually something that people want to keep secret.. And there ARE people on these forums, whom if anyone irl found out, they would be in emotional and mental turmoil, thus giving them a reason to be paranoid. It would be better to humor them, no?

I also agree with others if Rocangus would speak up.

[Selroth]

Let's not get off topic.  Sorry about my last post - it wasn't very constructive.  Let's rewind a bit if we can?

[Iothisk]

I do agree that the community should have some say in what is "official draconity.org" anything. If not, just let the mods decide what's official without a fight or fuss. *shrugs* At the end of the day, I don't really care what is or isn't official, just that draconity remains a place where I can talk with others like me.

[Dafydd_Edward_Dragon]

The very very least I want is that the name be changed from Draconity.org to something else, a logo /without/ the address replacing the current one, and the charter changed to not mention where the forum is or even that there is one. I'd be satisfied with that. I don't mind some other group being around, but you should respect that people want some privacy here. What's good about Draconity.org is people have to FIND it, actively search. Not stumble over it because they found it while playing video games -.-

[Selroth]

Most of our members stumble upon the site via google.  Is there that much of a difference?  Isn't the RAWR group primarily focused on otherkin?  Why hide ourselves from our own target audience?


Less than 1% of the world will ever see the RAWR group, or Draconity.org steam group.
Of those, only less than 1% will ever join.
Of those, maybe only 25% will click the link.  At this point we lose the interest of anyone who's not otherkin.
Of those, maybe 10% will fill out an application.  At this point, we lost the interest of anyone who's not seeking to join a new community.
Of those, I'd say 50% get approved.  At this point, we've weeded out most retards, spammers, etc.
Of those, only about 25% ever log in after getting approved.  I got the statics to prove it.
Of those, I'd say 0.01% have malicious intent.  And they probably got bored waiting for their application to get approved.


None of those numbers are exaggerations.  You're safe - trust me.  Everyone here is safe.  I'm risking my ass on this site too, including my job/career.  And my name's all over it!  If you'd still rather be safe than sorry, then I don't think online communities are best for you.


It'd be hard to officially sponsor any steam group by meeting your criteria.  It sounds like you prefer us not to have a steam group at all.  Or advertise at all.  I'm sorry, but I intend to keep the community alive and growing.

[Dafydd_Edward_Dragon]

I don't care about stats. My friends will see my steam profile, find I'm apart of RAWR and find almost all members of RAWR are of also the group draconity.org because steam shows things like that automatically. They WILL find my username here if they get interested in seeing that the forum is about. I also don't like the idea of a group holding up a banner of this website representing us. There's no sense to doing that.

That'd be like someone handing out flyers about this place to every convention they can. It's unwanted by most of us. If Draconity did that back when I was a new member here, I would have left right away. I was awakening and didn't want people knowing about such delicate things about me, particularly in during middle school and high school life. Many members here feel the same way. You seem to be trying very hard to defend having a group that serves no purpose other than so far upsetting people here particularly me and a few others that have been with RAWR since the beginning. It has only 5 members and is nothing but a failed attempt at making an identical copy of RAWR in the first place. We don't need two identical groups for the same thing.

I'm defending people's privacies, a group with 44 members and growing, and this forum from gaining too many unwanted users such like people who would mistake this forum as some sort of weird role-play thing.

You're defending a group that you and Roc made on a whim without even asking the community before naming it after them, that only has 5 members all of which are just direct friends of Roc, that re all apart of the RAWR group in the first place, that is causing a lot of distress in the community.. I just don't get it.

One other thing I'd like to mention.. people say RAWR has little activity. Roc's been a member of it for a long time. RAWR has openly welcomed anyone doing any contributions they want and post announcements and so forth. Roc could have very easily put his effort into it rather than trying to remake RAWR all over again. I still don't get why he went to the trouble of making a new 'RAWR' without even informing any of it's members including the admins of it, or this forum that it's named after and represents.

[Rossenod]

You said in the Shoutbox that you wanted opinions, Dafydd.  I'm going to give you mine.

If you're so worried about everyone here being found out and trolled, then why don't you also demand that every single member of this board who has links to Draconity.org on any other website they belong to, regardless of reason, also take their links and their references to this site down off whatever accounts they may have? 

I agree with Selroth on this, to be honest; I think you're overreacting.  From what I've read so far of this thread, Dafydd, you sound like you're only worried about people on Steam finding out about you being on this site.  The thing is, if you wanted popularity, you had options that would have allowed you to keep your Steam name and your Dragonkin name separate.  You could easily have used a different name for both accounts, and you could also easily have not made up a group dedicated to Dragonkin members of Steam. 

As for Rocangus, who still has yet to respond to this whole thing, he is not the kind of person to do something like this out of a desire to hurt anyone.  If you've ever talked with him at any length, you will know he's not a vicious individual.  The way you talk about this whole thing makes it sound like Rocangus intended to do harm, and to be honest, I find that offensive.  Rocangus is the last person I would ever imagine wanting to destroy this site or the people who frequent it.

[sillydraco]

not that i ever go to STEAM or anything, i just wanted to point out a couple of things that i took offense to in this whole issue :3

ive never aggreed with discrimination against Kin and nonKin, i find it extremely narrowminded and immature. ive been on the business end of discrimination by "true" otherkin, and i dont like it at all. in fact, it pisses me off to no end. i hate it. thats one reason i liked Draconity.org, they dont discriminate and this whole place is all about welcoming others with arms open wide (sans the trolls of course :3) personally i dont think any group has any right whatsoever to try and keep another group out, its not right.

also, really aggressive winged reptiles? i wouldnt want to be in a group that labels dragons as the negative stereotypical "bad guy" or "villain" :c

[Dafydd_Edward_Dragon]

To Rossenod: I made the RAWR group FOR draconity.org it's rather hard to do such a thing like that without confusing people from draconity as to who I am, also I should be allowed to use my name where I want. My point is there is some places we don't want to advertise the forms on, in video game social networks is not somewhere we want to advertise this place in.

As for Rocangus, I know he's not a bad person, but he does some really strange things time to time that makes me wounder if he thinks things through or not. I also don't like the fact he did something as big as representing this entire community, without asking us first. I don't think you'd like it if I started making my own groups all over creation calling them draconity.org yet not letting you have any opinion over what I do with it.

To Sillydraco, I'm not talking about controlling with an iron fist that only dragonkin can join the forums. But I think you and I would agree you don't want excessive numbers of people role-playing in the forums where we're trying to be serious about things like awakenings, nor people doing things like going "I'm spyro!' or "I'm a level 20 red dragon from dnd" or the lot. We had this happen before once and all sorts of anarchy happened, including many senior members leaving.

Also to add, the RAWR group is for dragonkin and friends. It also isn't super secured where only dragonkin can join it. It's purpose is for dragonkin both here and otherwise on steam and friends of such can play games together. The point is to play games, not advertise this forum and lead people we play games with to our personal posts here.

I have made posts here for a good 10 years, maybe more. I rather not have friends I have on steam coming here to see what this place is and finding them. This is why I'm upset and also why I'm prepared to have my account and all posts here purged if this continues.

EDIT: Also, I noticed something.. why isn't there ability for us to delete posts we've made in either mass amounts or between time ranges? I also noticed there's no way for oneself to delete their account in any fashion. The only way to erase posts I've made is to delete them one by one. This is painstaking when I have over 700 posts. I'm quickly leaning towards the solution of having all my older posts flat out deleted if I can't have any shred of privacy in these forums over the old topics I talked about a whole 8 or more years ago.

[Redalgo]

Hmmm... well reading these new posts my attitude has been swayed. I'm jumping onto the bandwagon with Sel & Co. Nothing personal, Dafydd, but they've kind of got the better arguments at the moment. 'O.=.o'

[Dafydd_Edward_Dragon]

Hmmm... well reading these new posts my attitude has been swayed. I'm jumping onto the bandwagon with Sel & Co. Nothing personal, Dafydd, but they've kind of got the better arguments at the moment. 'O.=.o'

Did we get to vote about this new group being made that is supposed to represent this forum, or heck get told about it? No, I find that one of the major things that erk me.

It also advertises the forum in a very public way in a community not very desired to have it shown in.

If you guys don't care about that, then I guess you wouldn't care about me slapping the Draconity.org logo on all sorts of groups or websites, dragging a banner along all sorts of places without anyones consent. I could go on SL and make a draconity.org group let anybody join and it's charter links to this website, why not since no body seems to care. Post it on role-play websites, video game websites, artwork sites, just use the logo and website address everywhere without consideration that I'm representing the community by doing so affecting the image of what this community holds, getting people curious what the heck it is wither or not they may be interested in dragons or otherkin in any extent.

If that's how you want this place, rather than a private, serious, place where we can talk openly about things with people that would understand us then fine. This isn't the website I joined 10 years or so ago, this became a website that anybody can come in and trash with anything.

[sillydraco]

thats exactly the discrimination i was talking about, half those groups you just mentioned include some of my closest friends. i belong to several SL roleplaying groups, as well as furry rp chats, etc. should i leave?

[Iothisk]

If that's how you want this place, rather than a private, serious, place where we can talk openly about things with people that would understand us then fine. This isn't the website I joined 10 years or so ago, this became a website that anybody can come in and trash with anything.

if -ANYBODY- could come in there wouldn't be a screening process, which selroth mentioned keeps out the spam and trolls. I remember my screening process not too long ago and I was grateful to be accepted into this community even when it took a day or so. I seriously think you're overreacting, Dafydd. Take a step back and ask yourself if this is truly something you want to leave this community for.

[Dafydd_Edward_Dragon]

Sadly, if it's the only way I can feel that I don't have personal things I've posted about over the years get stumbled upon I will...  Only compromise I can do beyond that that's within my power if an admin helps is having them purge all of my posts from x time and back so that I know exactly what's on the forum and if I ever post anything new I consider carefully that anybody that I know on steam, DA, MSN, Skype, etc. in any way, shape, or form, may come across it may read it so choose carefully about ever opening anything personal up about myself here ever again.

[NearToTheSky]

Dafydd:
I can understand that this whole thing makes you upset. I'd be too if I had taken great precautions to avoid having one of my "public" identities be linked to something much more private, just to find out that someone blew it and made an almost direct connection.
However, you do have an alternative to get your old posts removed: you can most likely ask Selroth to change your username here so that it won't be recognizable by your friends.

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